My Alleged Reality



 
• Who is "At Cause' and Who is "At Effect"?
To save any of these files on your computer, right-click and choose "Save target as" from the menu that pops up

Werner Says That Jack Was a Liar

 

He has allegedly stated that he does not want to 'go back' to being Jack for that reason.

If someone with a hidden agenda of domination were to become adept at performing a balancing act by staying in a kind of vague ambiguous communication at the nexus of meaning, then he would be neither a liar nor a truth teller, would he?

Could that be what the Leader of est means who he states 'there is no reality only perception'?

Is that what he means when he states everything is meaningless and it is also meaningless that it is meaningless?

Is it this 'meaningless' he espouses that opens him up to limitless 'possibility'?

Is that like an excuse in absloute terms for any behaviour?

Do you forensics cops see anything quite meaningful in this kind of thinking?

I do. Dr. Fenwick posed the question: “And what does the sociopath get out of 'it'”?

I have some ideas on that and should anyone develop the quaint notion that targeted victims might have something to contribute to the assessment of their own reactions and the understanding of their own experience, I would still be happy to meet you at the police station to discuss it despite the fact that is has been 'too long' now for me to expect anyone to admit to anything, apologize for it or make amends.

But then, you know us whack jobs! We can never let anything Goooooo....

 

 

Page copy protected against web site content infringement by Copyscape

est- HOLE TITLE SEARCH 

Luckily for me 'there is no right or wrong' and all is 'meaningless' so I know there will be no objections to my opening up to 'possibility'...

• A Simple Effective Snare
To save any of these files on your computer, right-click and choose "Save target as" from the menu that pops up
Search

Depersonalization Segment 5 10/29/2008

The Attempted Depersonalization and Reconstruction of My Identity


Segment 5

2:21:18 PM 

My Psychiatric Label and How I Got It.
By Patricia Lefave, Labeled, D.D. (P)
 

 

 

What this nurse ‘causes’ is whatever is ‘experienced’ concretely. He was taught; ‘The agreement’ on reality is the illusion created. ‘False cause’ is defined as the point (where everyone involved in reaching the agreement on reality) stops all further search.’

(If I am perceived as the cause as a genetic ‘defective’, as I am declared by the participants to be, then the group, ‘certain that it knows,’ will see no need to look any further, will it? So, no one does. All decide they will walk away from it, and leave me ‘at effect’ with It, and all the damage done by It.

 

It was shown to my self appointed adversary that who is ‘cause’ and who is ‘effect,’ depends upon the point from WHERE you are looking. If you see me for example, as the starting point, then you won't hear the truth I am telling you. Instead, you will hear paranoid ‘delusions’ or just plain lies. Once I, the one affected by it, have been accepted by the group as the cause, rather than the guy who sees himself as ‘at cause’ (synonymous with ‘total control’) it creates a chain reaction of ‘effects,’ as demonstrated in the nurse's training. One ‘cause’ at the starting point, then all ‘effect, effect, effect,’ etc. (a ripple effect which is based on the delusional belief that one can be cause OR effect, and not both as we all ARE in reality.) The choices for the one ‘at effect’ were also demonstrated for him as:  

1. If I resist, (resistant) I get hurt.

2. If I try to run I get chased. (Like in the community at large and from one apartment to another for example, by my adversary, his co-workers and his supporters)

3. If I do nothing at all I remain a "good" compliant victim, who supposedly ‘deserves’ what she gets for ‘choosing’ to be a victim. .

He was also shown that I could ‘go to source’ (try talking to him, reasoning with him) intercept the hit, (try to stop him, ask him why etc.) or I could become like the source (identify with the aggressor and do to others the same thing he did to me?) Or, the other thing he was shown was that I could just step around behind him (like he stepped around behind me and blindsided me) and let his own momentum take him. Though I did not know at the time that this was also in his training that is sort of what I decided to do.

(I once told him in person, face to face, at the hospital, before I broke down, that I could "turn this back around on you, you know.”) I decided I was going to try to expose him as the only way to stop him since by that point I realized, "This jerk is not kidding and this is no "joke" that includes me. He is doing this for REAL! I probably wasn't supposed to even know that what he was doing WAS his training. I think now that I was likely supposed to be a completely unaware target for his ‘game.’ I knew I would not be able to prove it, since I could see there wasn’t going to be any evidence of intent, that he was going to do what all the ‘game players’ do and pretend to be ‘mystified’ by it all. So I just kept right on letting him think I was still playing the ‘game’ he led me to believe I was playing for ‘fun,’ based on our shared ‘sense’ of humour, and that I remained unaware of what he was really doing. I continued to repeat back everything being acted out for me by so many others, while also trying to tell people what he was really doing.

In my adversary's training, as he approached the end of his sessions, the previous generation of trainees, demonstrated the chain reaction once again by returning, full circle, back to the starting point. Now, they were the leaders who passed on their training to the next group just starting out. Basically, they repeated back to the next generation, the information they had already collected on them in advance, which had included their expected reactions to it, and the manipulations needed to get them to buy what was being sold to them. Once again, the next generation was "amazed" by what they were yet to understand, which at that point was deliberately hidden from them. The next generation of dysfunctional game players was just beginning the search for the hidden meaning which would only become clear, if ever, near the end of their training. This is the point where the trainees have completed their "Pi's". They were the trainees before, and now they are the trainers. They have ‘switched positions’ and are passing it on. They then know (or would know if they did not fail to see It) that what they thought was so ''amazing'' and possibly ''e.s.p.'' was scripted right from the start. Only a few of them will really ‘get it’ after they look back at what they went through and with the benefit of hindsight.

For those who had returned to the starting point, completing their Pi, the training was over. For them, it could be a revelation, an accusation or an instruction, depending upon the individual's "point of view," the filter of understanding and personal belief through which the individual actually HEARD It and the personal conclusions drawn from that. Few, if any, look at the whole picture. There is no concrete proof that the leader actually INTENDED to do anything harmful or that the training meant anything specific at all. It is all a "matter of perspective" as is said of It. As it is also said at the end of the training, "There is nothing to get, so you get It." After that, they "do something about it" in relation to whatever It is, to them, as individuals. They may now choose to share the experience of It, as whatever It represents to the individual, with the external world. In other words, they then externalize their own beliefs and experience by projecting it. They are cautioned though to keep It's "secrets" in order to preserve their "special" status as a "superior" group.

Most of them don't really get the whole thing. If they did they would understand that they need to get OUT of It altogether. It is the false premise at the start of this PI, the loop of destruction, that is the basis of It's power.

I too am ‘externalizing my experience’ of this now as we human beings all do. We all do this in life based on our own experiences, understanding, awareness, attitudes, self concept and motivations. It is HOW we do it that matters, and what we understand about our experiences which we also externalize (after we internalize them), and not the FACT that we all externalize it.

In conclusion of the training, all the well trained followers now raised their hands high over their heads and clapped and clapped and clapped, enthusiastically, praising their training and admiring the charismatic leader who had given them THE answer to life, which had made them "superior" to all others who did not belong to their special group.

Why the clapping?

Well, they had been taught you see, to applaud without discernment, anytime, anyone in their group, said anything at all. They were now fully trained "mechanical anuses; stimulus-response machines who, they were told by those who had trained them, could not help being who they really were.

The Final ‘Solution’
Endgame

"Many, but not all Nazis rose up from the underworld. They were pushed forward; or rather they pushed themselves forward, in a nation that had been proud of being at the hub of European civilization. To call Nazism the ideology of those who came from the losing side would be simplifying things too much. The Nazis could only be successful by gaining the active and passive support of large numbers of civil servants, of teachers and professors, of physicians who had taken the Hippocratic oath, of lawyers who had learned and memorized the tenets of justice, even of priests who had consecrated themselves to the service of God, and of millions of ordinary men and women...It was created and borne by living persons.(Bold added)

Nazism was not rooted in abstract statutes. Nor did it confine it's methods to anonymous and efficient gas chambers...The attitudes of Nazism could range from active support to passive adjustment, from apathy in the face of the Jews...being taunted and tortured to friendly helpfulness and passive or even heroic resistance. Still the question is: What prevented, what hindered those who had gone to school with Jewish neighbours, who had worked with them in offices, schools, factories and hospitals,...what kept them from standing up for their friends and neighbours of Jewish faith.

If history proves anything it is that too few people made conscious choices against evil. If there is any lesson to be learned from the extermination of millions of Jews, it is that decent men and women learn to make choices in favor of the good, and to do this before criminal power is established and gets stabilized. It is the one lesson history must teach so that It does not repeat itself. "

Willy Brandt
Bundestag
Bonn , West Germany
1984

from the forward of:

Victims & Neighbours: A Small Town in Nazi Germany Remembered
by Frances Henry

Of course, nothing like that could ever happen HERE now could it?

Beware of the promotion of global agendas of "IMPOSED good"; for this is a contradiction in terms.

 

As everything else in this, what the subtitle of this essay means, referring to ‘It,’ depends upon who you really are and how you hear it. The solution that works for everyone beyond the "them" and "us" mentality is to expose the truth about this universal "play" at the level of generic meaning; the concrete details change but the "play" remains the same. A collective awakening must occur. We must stop being A.C.T.ors on the stage of life and face reality.

The people who really need to face it are those who are reducing things like the now proposed "Relationship Disorder" to brain chemistry problems and diseases requiring the swallowing of drugs to make those nasty old feelings go away. Why do we "wonder" where the addiction problem is coming from and why people just want to swallow something instead of solving our human problems by thinking them all the way through? Of course, I am one of the people who do not want to swallow the pills so that makes me, and those others just like me, the "difficult" patient.

It was once remarked to me by a psychiatrist; “Maybe they are all (in the same group) trainees.”  How did this all get so turned around, so backwards? Frankly I DO wonder if the employees at the psychiatric hospital where my protagonist works aren't all members of the same group, all of whom heard the abstract play the same way!...But back on topic here. Either we get the "final solution" or the final solution will get all of us, including our leaders who promote ‘unreasonable’ power and total control as "good" and “normal.”

As a nexus concept of abstract reasoning, "There is no reality, only perception" has a certain ring of truth to it. Why George W. Bush has even made that statement during a televised press conference, his eyes all aglow with satisfaction, and what sure looked to me, like amusement. Has he had the "training" too? Donald Rumsfeld has actually (allegedly) quoted from it. The following is an article indicating this may be the case:

Rumsfeld's quote (see link of origin in the title of this post) made perfect sense.

David Pankhurst
Ottawa Citizen
Rumsfeld's quote made perfect sense
Byline: David Pankhurst
Edition: Final Section:
NewsType: Letter
Re: Gift for bafflegab earns Rumsfeld top prize, Dec. 3.

U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld won this year's "Foot in Mouth" award for the most baffling statement by a public figure. John Lister of Britain's Plain English Campaign, described in the article as a "scourge of jargon, cliches and legalese," announced the dubious honour. This announcement shows the total ignorance of the people who run the Plain English Campaign.
What Mr. Rumsfeld said is not original, for he was using a quote without giving credit to its author, a very astute man, Werner Erhard, who founded the EST movement ( Erhard Seminar Training, and Latin for "it is") in the 1970s.

The EST Training, which my wife and I took years ago, originated this _expression to try to describe the world of "knowing."

(Well that's this guys 'interpretation' of it anyway. I have also been told it is German for “it is.” So I will ask German I know in Berlin and find out. Results:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
< Older Entry Newer Entry >
 
Post a Comment  |  Register For Email Updates

A Cry for Help!

 

The concrete kind of help I really need.

 

I am 'Seeking the Attention' of the Locals Involved

This announcement applies to the local readers of my site only.

 

If you have any information at all, regarding my 'fascinating case' no matter how strange, or inconsistent it may be, please call the Guelph Police Service and let them sort out the details.
Leave your information directed to the attention of either Deputy Chief Brent Eden or for Maurice Obergan.  Examples of information include your awareness of what was going on with the staff of Homewood as related to me, any news of a 'joke, game or intervention' as performed by them... Bus driver gossiping about it or 'covert' entries into my apartment, when I was not home, then or now, especially if you know of anyone who was let into them by my landlords. Please remember that what can be done to me can be done to anyone. If you have information supplied by the Fare box Fannies , from then, or now, or from bus drivers, or from Homewood employees TO bus drivers, please pass that along. Once again, I am asking you to come forward and tell what you know.

If you are an employee of the university, the city, a health care agency or Homewood and have been told to keep silent about it, and not to admit to anything (as I have heard some of you have been) please consider passing it along anonymously to Crime Stoppers of Guelph Wellington at this Phone Number:

 

 Phone 1-800-222-TIPS (8477)

Or on line where you may remain anonymous at:

 

 http://www.crimestoppers-wellington.com/


 Or call: Guelph Police Services at 519-824-1212

 

Thanks to the honest people for your help.
You seem to represent the few.

• On Being Sane in Insane Places- A Personal View
To save any of these files on your computer, right-click and choose "Save target as" from the menu that pops up

The Bottom Line for Everyone

This is My Theme Song According to the Never Ending Public Opinion




Manipulating Meaning and Language:
My Own Experience

Depersonalization Segment 1

Depersonalization Segment 2

Depersonalization Segment 3

Depersonalization Segment 4

Depersonalization Segment 5

Depersonalization Segment 6

Depersonalization Segment 7

Depersonalization Segment 8

Depersonalization Epilogue

 

 

 

If you want to get attacked, try changing something
                                                                 Woodrow Wilson


My Protagonist once asked me, when alone with him in a hallway and without witnesses of course, if I had ever read, "Waiting for Godot..."



Werner Erhard on being ‘responsible for whatever happens to you. '

"Really, there are no victims but people who bring the victimization on themselves."
 




Notice anything there?

Covert Ops with the French
 
The Favourite Professions of Narcissists

The Game that Never Ends

(Sung to the tune of 'the Song that Never Ends')

 

This is the game that never ends.

It just goes on and on my friends.

Some people started playing it not knowing what it was,

And they continue playing it forever just because,

This is the game that never ends…

 

Repeat until all the players are dead.

You can’t reason with a machine.’

Jewish Holocaust Survivour

 

International Cultic Studies
Ross Institute Internet Archives
Info Cult, Canada
Cult Information Centre, UK 

Education?
or Group Ridicule

00017834
 
 
© 2010 CounterPsych     Site created with TalkSpot.com